When presidents visit me, I get queried by God -Prophet TB Joshua

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Prophet Temitope Balogun Joshua of the Synagogue Church of all Nations spoke with Bosede Olusola-Obasa on myriads of controversies surrounding his person and ministry

People say that you are very humble despite your popularity, how do you achieve this?

If you have passed through what I have passed through, you will even be more humble than I am.

Like what?

Things that can make people to be humble. You just think of it. I have good health and God shows me what I would have been in terms of sickness and death; it humbles me and I want to use my good health for him. At times, God shows me how people are suffering and the thought that it could have been me keeps me humble. For instance, if I did anything wrong during this interview, when you may have left, God will caution me. If I am not humble, I will be out of track. If I was not in the house of God, I would be one of the touts in the motor parks (the Agberos)

Why is it that your ministry seems to be more popular outside Nigeria than in Nigeria?

I want to offer the same prayer for you: that God should make you more popular outside your country than in your country. Let other countries introduce you to your country. I think that is better. As it is written in the Bible, a prophet has no honour in his country. I am not an evangelist or a pastor, I am a prophet. It is the word prophet that was used in that scriptural passage, not evangelist or so. If my people had understood the work from the beginning, it could have affected the glory of God in my life today. If people understand your vision from the beginning, you may not go far. It is better they don’t, they will understand later and by then, you would have been very strong and God would have strengthened your desire. Praises and adoration can make you a local champion. Where are the people that Nigerians praised from the beginning? I can mention some – even men of God, who are no longer living today, so many founders – CAC, Cherubim and Seraphim, Church of the Lord and so on. We should get this understanding that those who were local champions in the past did not reach international recognition. Look beyond the ministry job to the secular world, was it Nigeria that introduced Prof. Wole Soyinka to the world? But when he became a Nobel Laureate, he became more powerful; when he talks, everyone wants to listen. Whereas there were some other local champions that even when they were dying, nobody took their news to CNN. They don’t know them. God has a way of raising people by throwing the image to the international community. Even the footballers that are notable became acceptable to Nigerians when they belong to international clubs. I may not be accepted by some people in Nigeria but my acceptance in the world has been announcing me to my world. When you look at the people working with me, you see that the ratio of Nigerians working with me are not more than 10 per cent.

What is the special attraction that brings heads of government to synagogue?

You have said it all, where there is demand, there is supply and in that place, there would be enough anointing to do the work. God will not allow people to go to a place where there is no supply. It is not possible. I observe that if three chairs are added to this church today, you suddenly find people filling it and if four are removed, it is just the number of people that will fill the chairs that will come. I have studied that from the beginning. Sometimes when I see some ministries printing handbills, using signboards to advertise the church, I say those things are not necessary. God is the one inviting people, if you allow him to do it, the solution to their problems will be waiting for them. But if you take it upon yourself to do the advertisement, people that God is not expecting will come along with them and there will be crisis and trouble. You just continue doing your work and leave the advert for God, then those that God didn’t invite will not come and there will be peace and tranquillity. You should not go out to start saying ‘I can heal, I can deliver.’ At synagogue, our critics are our advertisement. They are people that don’t want to hear about us. They tell other people that ‘that church is devilish;’ unknowingly, some of the people they tell get inquisitive and they will want to come here and see what a devil looks like since they haven’t seen one before. God has been using this as advertisement for us. Ninety per cent of people who come here do so in the bid to come and verify what they had heard about this church. When some of them get here, they will sit at the back, fearing that they could be hurt. Some put on dark glasses or disguise in a way that will not allow people that know them to recognise them. But before the service is over, some of them will pick up their bags and move to the front seats. They eventually become my prayer warriors. Let me tell you something that amazes me and that I always thank God for – those who are with me are more than those that are against me. They keep supporting me all over the world. I have more, more, more people around the world. Whenever I say this, tears flow from my eyes (sobs for a while). These are tears of joy. I get so sad when I hear people’s confession when their eyes become open to what God is doing here. Some say, ‘I wish I had known this, my mum would not have died. She asked me to bring her here but because of what I was hearing about this place, I refused until she died. I hope that she will forgive me.”’

Is President Goodluck Jonathan on the list of heads of government that patronise your services?

When it comes to relationship, I think he would be in the best position to answer that question. Since what we are doing is creating impact around the world, you should expect Nigeria’s president to also be part of it. We are praying for the nation and being a Christian acknowledges it. If Jonathan had been here, it would have been shown on our Emmanuel Television network. No president has ever visited this place in secret. The Bible says that if you confess me before men, I will confess you before my father in heaven. I am not a witch doctor; we have nothing to hide. If you have not read in the newspapers that your president came here, then that is that. Anytime presidents of other countries come here, Jonathan is usually aware. If he doesn’t believe in what we are doing, he would have told them that we constitute security risks.

What is your relationship with President Jonathan, Does he speak with you on phone?

Don’t rush me. Let me finish answering the last question. Now, you would answer the question yourself; have you read that he came here, have you? My sister, you have said it all. What phone call are we talking about?

How do you tell the president when you have an instruction for the nation?

I say it on the television and all over the world. I accept that is not enough; it is better to see him one on one.

But what is the essence of a president’s visit if he won’t follow what I will tell him? This kind of trend keeps staining my name. I will not mention anybody, when they leave here; they do not obey the instructions.

But what are these presidents looking for in your church?

The reason why people visit a man of God is to receive instructions, his opinion about them or their country. But if they don’t follow it, yet the whole world knows that they are close to TB Joshua, it has no benefit.

Are you saying it’s no big deal that presidents visit you?

It is no big deal. Except they obey the counsel given to them, it has no benefit. It is not something to be proud of. At least, seven presidents have visited this place since inception. But each time presidents come to this place, I get query from God. When they come around, you won’t have time to attend to other people. They will block the road with their security and at the end of the day, they won’t do what you advise them to do.

People say that your generosity is used to woo people to your church. How do you react to this?

How much will I give to the president of a nation to come here? Even when they come, I don’t get any financial gain but I incur cost because I want to ensure that they are well cared for. That is all; I even prefer to spend my time with the poor than to be with the presidents. If a president visits this place today, the whole of the day will be devoted to that visit, I would have lesser time for the poor people, who need my attention. God has been warning me over this trend so much that when some presidents said that they wanted to visit me, I said no. I said it would be better for me to visit them in their countries. Each time they visit this place, I receive query from God because of my time that should have been used to attend to the poor and the needy that are waiting for me. One soul is not superior to the other, why should I continue to receive query? Really out of three presidents that may visit, there will hardly be one that will show good example of the counsel that they received from me. If the needy are more receptive to God, it is better to give them more of my time.

Still on generosity, why do you ask people to display the items given to them live on camera, is it proper?

We do so to encourage other people to do likewise. Some of them are physically-challenged or indigent people who do not even have bank accounts, so we have to give them cash. We don’t want them to be duped, but we don’t do that often anymore.

Isn’t it a deliberate way of advertising what you are doing?

It is not so.

But we don’t see such things in other churches?

Every man of God has his own habit. Habit is a gift from God. Like Daniel, whenever he wants to pray, he will open his window, that is his habit. The disciples of Jesus prayed six times a day; that is their habit. It is not that we are showing off. When people see what we are doing, they learn how to be good givers. If you do everything privately, what will people write about? Jesus fed the 5,000 people in the open, not in secret. That is why it could be written. When the tax collectors came to him, he did not hide to say, ‘I don’t want them to see that they want to collect money from me.’ Even when he healed a man and they asked him how he did it, he asked them to go and ask the healed man.

You said God speaks to you, how does he speak to you?

Faith must first be in the heart before there could be an accepted confession. That means faith must first be in the heart before there could be an acceptance of prayer, request, talk from God. Faith is of man’s heart, which is spirit. Heart literarily means a different thing from the spirit. You use your faith to put a demand.

So, how do you get those prophecies – picture or voice?

I use my faith to place a demand. You don’t understand what I am saying. Let me put it this way, faith is a channel through which the anointing flows. That means you use your faith to put a demand and ask for whatever you want. If there is faith in your heart, you can close your eyes and make a demand that you want to know what is happening around the world and before you know it, you will see the vision. There is what you call a measure of faith – deep, deeper, deepest faith. I don’t know which level you belong. Faith grows as we hear the word and obey it. We are not all at the same level, but all things are possible to him that believes. What is possible for you may not be possible for me.

But many people see you as mystical, they think you are not a believer in Jesus Christ; that you belong to some other sect. What is the source of your power?

Your question is funny. We don’t get power, it is faith we have. The power in our life is released by faith through our mouth. The issue of getting power is wrong. We don’t talk about getting power here. If you don’t have faith, power will remain dormant. In Mark, Jesus said this kind won’t be possible but by prayer and fasting. The disciples had power but lacked faith to release it.

Coming from you directly, who are you?

Nigerians cannot tell me who I am. The percentage of my people around the world is more than those in Nigeria. I am celebrated around the world. Go on the internet, Emmanuel TV is the most watched. Forget about anybody, I don’t need to promote myself. Even Jesus could not win everybody’s soul.

Are you a Christian, do you believe in Jesus Christ?

The word Christian is a title. How do you know that those people talking believe in Jesus Christ when Christianity is a matter of the heart?

But are you a child of God…

That is what I am correcting you about; that someone said he is a Christian doesn’t mean he is. If somebody says he belongs to this or that fellowship, only God knows. It is not about confessing that I am a prophet, a pastor, only God knows who is serving him. A mango tree cannot bear coconut. What you believe radiates around you. I’m more than that kind of confession. If anyone doesn’t believe me, they would when the time comes.

But why don’t you belong to a Christian body?

Christianity is not an association. Let us talk about Christianity. I don’t celebrate religion. I am a follower of Jesus; I am a Christian, that is all I know. I will invite you to come and worship here this Sunday. I am known by my love, not by my association, so whether Pentecostal, Catholic, Charismatic, Methodist, who is serving God? I don’t judge people but people can judge me. All I know is that my persecution has been a blessing; I have been tamed by it. It has strengthened me. I am a Charismatic.

So, who anointed you into the ministry?

I have told you about faith. You know that Elijah anointed Elisha, but can you tell me who anointed Elijah? So you see God can choose to do it the way He wants. Because I don’t want to hurt you, I don’t know which circle you belong to, maybe your own pastor was anointed by a man.

Are you still very close to Pastor Chris Oyakhilome?

Please, don’t drag me into all that. I beg you.

What about the issue of Jim Iyke?

Oh please, don’t drag me into that. All I can say is that if a person needs to see a doctor, he should be free to do so. I like the young man. He has been defending himself on the internet. Is he not enjoying a better life now? Are things not working for him?

Why are all these stars always coming to your church?

Please I don’t want to talk about that.

What about your alleged link with the release of Major Al-Mustapha?

Which one are you saying again? Please spare me that. I will give you time to come back and talk on that.

You are reputed for predicting football matches correctly, how far will Nigeria go in the World Cup?

I can’t say that now. I will give PUNCH the privilege of getting my prophetic messages once they come out.

Why is it that people don’t know your family members?

I don’t expose my family. I hear people saying that I don’t have a wife and that I have no child. That is the news everywhere. You have seen my wife and this is a photograph of my daughter.

Why is it that your wife does not preach like other pastors’ wives?

My wife is a very wonderful woman. She believes in receiving her own call. She does not just want to hold microphone because her husband is a pastor.

Men of God need to take care of their children. My daughter studied Law she is doing her PhD in Harvard and she is coming back home to preach the gospel. She loves to preach.

Is your wife the one responsible for your looks?

I love to look good too; it is 50-50 anyway. She has been a great woman to me. She has been a great source of encouragement in the midst of my challenges. She is different in the sense that she said I was the one God called, so she is waiting until she is called by God to be a pastor. That is unlike what most men of God do, they believe that once they are called, their wives must be pastors too.

When are you buying your own private jet?

When one is at the airport to catch a flight, you see that many have become likeMolue. They could disappoint you by saying the flight has been cancelled. Even when you eventually get on board, people keep thronging you for one reason or the other. The person serving you the meal may be someone that needs deliverance, by giving you food, she will deliver you. There was an experience I had when travelling by air for a trip of about nine hours. I was pressed but couldn’t go and ease myself because I had to queue like other people before I could use the restroom. Besides, I thought that some of those people could go to the toilet immediately after I had used it in expression of faith, so I remained glued to my seat all through the journey. That would not have been if I was flying a private jet. Or if you are a man of God that snores and they see the pastor sleeping and snoring, they will think he shouldn’t snore. Meanwhile, he is human. So a man of God should have a private jet if the situation demands it.

Who should pay for it?

If the use is for the church, the church should buy it, own it and manage it. It should not be bought in the pastor’s name. When he is no longer there, the jet remains the church’s.

Big organisations have a need for crowd management, how did you handle the stampede case in Ghana over holy water?

I know where you are going, don’t go there. Why don’t you let’s leave that please.

What inspired you to owning a football club?

It is the desire to help people realise their dreams. There are other social platforms that we use to help people.

Still on prediction of football matches, is God not too busy to talk to you about that?

The same God speaks about everything. God is aware of everything. It is all about the faith that you have; it manifests even in small things. We need to know how much we need God.

But people said you see a crystal ball that aids your predictions?

Don’t you wonder why I am the only one saying it and it is coming to pass?

What about your influence on the stool in your village in Ondo State?

Don’t drag me into that, I will not go there, maybe next time.

Source:Punchng.com

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17 thoughts on “When presidents visit me, I get queried by God -Prophet TB Joshua

  1. “They tell other people that ‘that church is devilish;’ unknowingly, some of the people they tell get inquisitive and they will want to come here and see what a devil looks like since they haven’t seen one before.”

    Hahaha,I love reading Prophet TB Joshua’s interviews,he has much wisdom like king Solomon.
    Tbjoshuawatch sect,thank you for advertising the works of the Scoan.Keep it up!

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    • @ChildOfGod I just thought of that myself, tbjoshuawatch are just helping to advertise the ministry of TB Joshua. I think I will say they should keep up with their good work of Scoan publication

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      • @E.frances
        Yes you are right indeed tbjoshuawatch have thought to destroy TB Joshua but actually they are helping in the publication of the good work of Scoan.

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  2. Indeed a Prophet is not honor in is own town.. pray for God to open the eyes of Nigeria to know the person of TB Joshua that is in their midst….

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  3. Oh,the load is gud I’m happy prophet tb joshua makes me crying I don’t crying for poverty,money, I’m crying of joyce of this menkind is answer it so wise,(full of love,love he talk with faith he as nothing belong to him but to the church if is not any more a past everything will remine to the church,not to past) this is waaoh, TB JOSHUA, DRC-Congo love you and we pray for you and your all sturf,team working with u………. Regard: Micheal – tshibangu

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  4. To the former ex Scoan disciples and tbjoshuawatch sect,
    DO MY PROPHETS NO HARM

    Through David, Jehovah said, “Touch not my anointed ones, and do my prophets no harm” (I Chron. 16:22). From earliest of times God’s prophets have been subjected to all kinds of abuse and persecution by the wicked. Not only the wicked of the world, but a worldly element in His kingdom hate and attack God’s spokesmen, thus joining hands with Satan in his effort to destroy them.This ancient word of warning is applicable today. Faithful gospel preachers fill a role similar to that of the prophets of old. Predicting the future was but a small part of the prophet’s work. He was first of all a preacher of righteousness. He spoke words of edification, exhortation and consolation, (I Cor. 14:3). So do preachers today. While the ancient prophet was inspired to teach, we must study the written revelation to know God’s will. Today, God still says, “Do my prophets no harm.”

    When we hurt God’s teachers we hurt God’s cause. It was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe (I Cor. 1:21). When a preacher is attacked and driven from his work, the Lord’s cause suffers. When we destroy a preacher we hurt not only him and his family; we rob hundreds, even thousands of lost souls of their chance for salvation. There are insufficient preachers to tell all the world of Jesus, as it is. When a good man is brought down, there will be no one to take his place. Multitudes will languish in hell because of the damage done. Gospel preachers fill an important and vital role in God’s kingdom. Faithful, capable preachers make strong growing churches. Look around at congregations without the services of a good preacher. The value of a preacher’s work is evident. Do we want a congregation without a preacher?

    When we reject the instruction and correction of a teacher who is correctly telling us God’s will, and then try to “run him off,” we are, in reality, rejecting God and fighting against Him. To reject the sayings of Christ is to reject Christ (John 12:48). To receive Christ’s messenger is to receive the Son and the Father. Similarly, to reject those same messengers is to reject Christ and his Father (John 13:20). The very truth we rejected will judge us in the last day.
    God will punish a people that persecute his prophets. Our Lord said, “Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of hell?

    Therefore, behold I send unto prophets…and some of them shall ye kill and crucify, and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city; that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous…” (Matt. 23:33-35). When we attack or in any way hurt God’s faithful prophets, his preachers, we join the ranks of that unholy throng that began with murderous Cain. Our punishment will be the same as theirs. How shall such escape the judgment of hell?

    Why do church members hate and despise the preacher that they have employed to teach them God’s Word? This is a strange and paradoxical situation: people wanting a preacher, then turning on him as an enemy. Some dislike a preacher because he preached against their sins. Rather than repent, pride leads them to get rid of the meddlesome preacher. Perhaps the preacher perceived their hidden motives or ambitions and they seek to remove him before they are exposed. The preacher may have dislodged them from an unlawful seat of power in the church. Or maybe he refused to back their pet plan or personal desire. It could have been that he would not be apart of their clique, choosing rather to serve and cooperate with all the brethren.

    All of these reasons are commonly seen when carnal brethren turn on a faithful preacher. Could it be the same childish spirit that makes some school children hate and despise their teachers who are trying to do them good, motivates some carnal minded Christians to have hostile feelings towards preachers. With such a sinful attitude, brethren can never be acceptable to God (Rom 8:6-8).

    A preacher is no more effective than his reputation in the community. A man’s reputation is a fragile thing, easily marred and broken. Satan, understanding this, looks for willing helpers to discredit and destroy God’s men. It seems he has little trouble finding ready volunteers even inside the Lord’s camp.
    No wonder so few young men are willing to devote their lives to full-time work for God. They have seen the abuse that faithful servants of God have suffered from evil brethren and they do not want to subject themselves and their families to it. Likewise, many good men have given up their wok for God because of such undeserved abuse
    http://www.christianity-then-and-now.com/html/preachers__page_-_013.html

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  5. I give thanks to God almighty for is love to every nation; the bible says or a we to judge or condemned the men of God;- why people waist the time in watching prophet tb joshua life and is doing no one have the rite to judge only God himself cane judge,we are so much focus on someone or doesn’t care even of criticism, why can’t we leave him to what he it maybe wrong or write God himself to judge bcs even us we are sinners can’t we stop this and focus on our life,the one people criticize it seems is the one God bliss more to see and those waist the time to talk about tb joshua seems be the very poor one,what cane we say by this or have God?? Or save the true God?? Or is a true men of God?? The answer it simple (the one or spiritually,financially,physically,mentally,prosper in any area aspect of life is the one or have,save the living God is the one to follow and listing to is teaching of the word of God) thks

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