Why TB Joshua never replied Pastors and his former aides that accused him

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Prophet TB Joshua

This is an interesting and breath-taking interview with TB Joshua, the General Overseer of the Synagogue, Church of all Nations, Lagos Nigeria. He answered questions about criticism from other men of God, persecution, charity, the nation, economy and others.

Q: You’ve come under severe criticism recently and in the past years from other pastors and your former aides, but you never replied them. Why?

A: It is only when you don’t know where you are going you will reply them. When you don’t know where you are going, anything can overwhelm you, anything can provoke you. Look at what happened to Joseph in the dry pit; because he knew he was going to the throne; he was not overwhelmed. When he was on the floor, instead of looking at the floor – you know the prison floor is not smooth – the Bible said he opened the window and looked at the beautiful sky and he said to himself, “I know where I belong!” So when you know where you belong, nothing can overwhelm you, provoke you or discourage you. Therefore, if you know that there is a higher hand leading you and you know the protection you are under, you don’t fight for God, rather God fights for us. There are two ministers of God, those who fight for God and those whom God fights for. For me, God fights for me. You don’t fight for God, so when you are doing the work of God and people are fighting you, they are fighting God. Apart from healing, prophecy and Synagogue, if I withdraw now, nobody will talk about me. Definitely, it’s God in me they are fighting. So when somebody says you are this and that, it’s just a matter of time. Those persecutions, hatred and intimidation – you will realise that God uses them to prepare us and strengthen our desire for Him. When you are being persecuted, it’s time to praise the Lord. Time of intimidation is time to draw closer to Him. Therefore, it’s a tonic for our anointing. The persecution we suffer in the hands of our detractors causes us to be known.

Q: Some Pastors claim that you are evil. Is TB Joshua evil?

A: You know what happened to Peter and our Lord Jesus Christ. You know how close Peter was to Him and the question He asked in that Matthew 16 – “Who do people say I am?” Peter’s first answer was improper and Jesus said you are a tempter; you are a snare, get out of my sight. You should ever think of the things of God, not things of the world. You can imagine somebody who is close to Jesus and the Lord asked him, who do people say I am – and he could not see Jesus from God’s point of view but from a human point of view. Perfection eludes everyone. Because you bear pastor… what informs that word pastor? The issue of pastor is all about the anointing of God. So because somebody said I am a pastor, that does not mean his vision cannot be blurred – and when his vision is blurred, you will not see clearly the things of God. There are pastors that actually receive the message of God by mental assent. The actual message of God comes from the heart. It renews our strength. The one that comes from our heard you memorise the message, just like you go to school. What you have studied is in your heard and the moment you are not practicing what you studied in another two to three years, you have to rehearse it again, but the Words of God are always in our heart.

Q: Lagos State Government is talking about wealth of churches and they want to tax churches. Do you support this move?

The wealth of the church is the strength of the church, and the strength of the church is the Holy Spirit – so what are you talking about? How would you now tax the Holy Spirit? When you are out there looking at the church, it’s a place of refuge for everybody when there are economic crises. People are jobless; when you are given a sack letter, the next place you think of is the church, when you are sick, you run to the church. Somebody who receives a sack letter from his office, is the Pastor still expecting money from such person? A pastor that does that is receiving a curse. I will advise the government not to share a cruse from any minister of God that is collecting money from people they are supposed to give money to. Government should not join them in sharing the curse. People are being sacked and that’s what’s happening in the country today. If you are sacked, the Pastor is supposed to restore hope and strength to you, give you money to invest, go to their store and give you at least a bag of rice that will sustain you until you get another job. These people are a burden to the church – but when you are looking at the church from a distance, you will think they are bringing money… So, if any Pastors sees it as a means of extorting money from the under-privileged people, that Pastor is receiving a curse. There is no need to tax churches because they are not making money, and if anybody starts making money at the expense of other people, the person is getting a curse – and I don’t want government to share in that curse.

Q: You have other arms of the church like charity, deliverance, reconciliation, prophecy, healing and others. What has it been like over the years handling all these responsibilities?

A: This is the problem the country has brought to us; that is what we are talking about. Here we have a foundation for the youths, a football club. There are about 4000 of them that come from across the country, and we have a bus for them. We are also involved with the destitute in Oko-Baba, you saw the buses given to them and how they are being taken care of and we are giving them scholarships. We have people in Leeds University in London, which is one of the best universities in the world. There are also the widows, the physically challenged – and we have a warehouse where we keep the rice which we give to these people. Each trailer is N5million and we have about four trailers. There are also the aged people – we look for them and take care of them, even the ones that are sick. Of course, you know that to run a football club costs a lot of money. Even the PHCN where they train, we paid heavily to secure it. These are some of the challenges we are facing. So when you now talk about the issue of tax, does it means that we will withdraw all these and use it to pay tax? We are doing more than paying tax. I don’t operate any bank account, not to talk of keeping money here. These people are my bank account. I believe so much in this so that in the nearest future, people can stand and say, ‘I am now this through the grace of God in the life of TB Joshua’.

Q: Is that the basis for grooming these young ones around you from abroad?

I will not answer that now; let me finish the issue of leadership. Let’s move forward. One of the key issues why we are having problems, especially in Africa, is that there is no way Africa can develop without taking this pattern I am going to talk about now. In developed countries, they exchange their mineral resources with another one – but in our case, we exchange our mineral resources with money. Look at our oil; the Western countries come to take our oil and give us pounds and dollars. For Nigeria to develop, they should exchange oil for technology. Go to Russia, whatever mineral resources they have there, they exchange with American technology and whatever America needs from them, they exchange it with technology; the same thing happens in other developed countries all over the world – but our own is money. The gift of God to us, our inheritance, to develop people’s skills, we keep exchanging for dollars and pounds. And when we collect the money, we will not keep it in our banks here. We will still carry it back to the banks of the people that gave us the money, and they will say they are keeping it for us. They will say they are keeping it in foreign reserve, and that actually has kept us in the level we are today. So tell me how we can develop? From the beginning of this Niger-Delta crisis, if these boys had seen that their oil is being exchanged for technology instead of money, I tell you, there will be employment, light, improved telephone service, and good quality education – do you think they will fight? Look at our universities today. People go overseas to study. Well, it’s not too late because we have mineral resources and they should exchange it for technologies and other things we don’t have, not money. Don’t give us fish; teach us how to fish.

Q: With healing happening on a daily basis, on the average, how many people get healed here?

Since the healing is from God, do you need to test or examine and mark God’s work? The credit is for God. No matter how many people that are healed, you cannot mark God; it’s man we can mark. After we must have done everything humanly possible, we still need to leave it for God. For just coming here today, you have received healing.

Q: From a spiritual angle, how do you think the worldwide economic meltdown will have impact on Nigeria?

A: I think what is happening concerning the economy is a normal thing, because where the voices are not one, you expect things like this to happen. God is only very merciful – by now, we are supposed to be crying. Nigeria is not counted out of this. You are in this country; you know what is happening and you know the mismanagement. If you mismanage your product, you’ll get a shortage – that’s exactly what is happening.

Q: But you said in one of your prophecies that we are yet to see anything concerning this economic meltdown?

A: Yes, have you seen anything? What have you seen? You are only seeing the flame. When you see fire, you see flame – but we are yet to see the fire. There is no solution, there is nothing we can do – it’s a matter of time. But we will pass through it with a lesson. God wants to use it to strengthen our desire for Him.

Q: Has any of the world leaders called to ask you for a way out of this economic crises?

A: You want me to begin to mention the names of Presidents in your Newspaper (General Laughter)! My friend, when you talk like this, I know where you are going. I want to tell you that it is part of the gift; the anointing God has given to me. The way and manner God executes His plan in our lives differs. Some He sent them to the village to minister, some to the community and some among his own race, some to another race and colour, while some anointing touches Kings and Queens, Presidents. Therefore, by our fruits you know the kind of anointing we bear. We are anointing carriers, but when you look at us you know the kind of anointing we carry. So it’s not for us to begin to tell you – ‘this is what I am doing’.

Q: When is Nigeria going to have a leader that will take us to the Promised Land? There is poverty in the country…

A: Well, what do you mean by Promised Land? Until what they inherited from their past predecessors is no longer burdensome. Like the issue of administration, the person in power is still battling with what he inherited, he has not started a new thing. Some may continue battling with theirs throughout their tenure. I hope you understand what I am saying. It’s like somebody’s father dying and there is a huge debt to settle. You realise that either you denounce that father or carry the responsibility. You begin to pay the debt for his house and other things – and that may take your time and career.

I think the problem is that we have many leaders, but we fail to take time to develop people’s skills – they have no disciples. No one can go it alone, even Jesus Christ knew this and that was why He had disciples. But we have leaders without disciples in every area. Not in the political circle alone, but churches too. Take your mind back to some late great men of God in Nigeria, how many of them had disciples? Look at the political circle; take your mind back to the olden days – how many of them had disciples? It takes time to develop people’s skills, but how many people will do that? You will be persecuted and hated even among the people you are developing. Many of them will be Judas and in the process of developing them, they will go out and say all sorts of things against you, they want to bring you down- but at the end of the day, you still see one or two of them that are good. Of course, you know what happened to Jesus because He was developing skills, making disciples. People are afraid to develop skills, because in the process of developing people’s skills, you look at the repercussion. When you weigh the disadvantages and advantages, one would be afraid to go into it – but the future is great because you will live forever if you take time to develop people’s skills and make disciples out of them.

This is what the Bible said. It says – Go ye into the world and make disciples. Look at everywhere – even in your journalism circle. You know of great journalists, editors, publishers – but where are their disciples today? Those disciples either turned around to become senators, governors or others things, or they just abandoned their profession. Even if you become a senator tomorrow, that does not mean you should abandon your profession. It is your profession; you should establish it, employ people to manage it while you supervise. Look at farmers. Go to the village you hardly see anybody in the village today, all of them are coming to the city. We have leaders without disciples – and no one can go it alone. We need good people, inspired people and informed people to achieve our dreams and objectives – and Jesus knew this.

Q: Presidents have visited you from other countries and you’ve visited them also. Here in Nigeria we’ve not had a situation where any Nigerian President has visited. Is it a situation of a prophet not being recognised in his homeland?

A: A point of correction – to be conferred with the OFR is a recognition. I’ve never had any honour like that. That is appreciation, but the manner of approach differs. So I think it’s still normal. Everything big starts little. If something big starts big, it calls for concern.

Q: You appear too simple. Why? 

A: It’s because I am in the midst of people. If you go out there, you will pity the people. People are there at the bus stops waiting for vehicles and they can stand there for hours. Sometimes I ask myself where these people work. What kind of job will you go to at any time you feel – that means a lot of them keep changing jobs. So how can their lives be stable – and success demands a stable character. When your character and attitude is not stable, you are far from success. You say ‘it’s good’ today, tomorrow you say ‘it’s not good’, you are far from success. God’s Word is constant; He is still the same yesterday, today and forever. What you need to do is to seek the things from above so that you may be comforted in the face of whatever situation you are in. Just like I said earlier – Jesus has risen. Therefore, let your mind rise and seek the things that are above so that we may be comforted in the face of our situation. You say people are suffering? Jesus has risen – tell your people to seek the things that are above so that they may be comforted in the face of their situation.

Q: How would you want to be remembered? 

A: The Apostles paid the supreme price to bring the Gospel. Some were stoned, some were crucified upside down – so if you must be one of the disciples of Jesus, you must be ready to follow Jesus, bearing His cross, bearing His reproach. You must know the fellowship of His suffering.

PERU, A FORCE FROM HEAVEN PUSHED ME TO STAND UP!

peru crusades sophia healingSophia, afflicted by uterus cancer and weakened by arthritis, had been confined to her bed for many years, unable to do the activities she had once enjoyed. Treatment upon treatment and 20 tablets per day proved to be of no avail and the doctors could not offer her the hope of a cure. Tired and in pain, Sophia’s condition left her in a state of disappointment. “I feel like dying,” were the words that constantly plagued her mind.

peru crusades sophia healingOne fateful day, a good friend, Maria, had introduced her to Jesus Christ and Sophia’s life was never the same again. Sophia later heard of the Peru Crusade with Prophet T.B. Joshua through her friend, Maria. She believed that just one touch from the Holy Spirit through His anointed servant, Prophet T.B. Joshua, would be the end of her ailments. The night was full of life-changing moments, but none so altering as the miracle that was about to take place in her own life.

Just one touch was all it took for the miracle to take place. “I felt a force from Heaven pushing me to stand to my feet and walk.” Healing had taken place in the life of Sophia that very night. She returned to tell the world about the glory of God and her miraculous ability to walk again. From bedridden to healthy and strong. A million thanks are not enough to express the joy that Sophia has as she demonstrates her ability to walk.

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TB Joshua named in Ghana armed robbery arrest

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A shocking new twist has emerged in the tale of the armed robber who was re-arrested in Ghana on Monday 16th May 2016 after controversially absconding under police guard.

According to a Facebook post by popular Nigerian ‘Prophet’ T.B. Joshua, the detainment of the notorious suspect in his hometown of Kwetri-Adentia had surprisingly ‘spiritual’ undertones.

Kweku Yeboah, the alleged leader of a brutal robbery attack near Sunyani, Ghana on Monday 2nd May 2016, escaped from police custody several days later whilst being nursed at a hospital for injuries he sustained during the incident.

With the suspect on the loose and fear rife in the community, the policeman under whose watch Yeboah escaped was instantly implicated and given a ten-day ultimatum to produce him or face disciplinary action.

According to Joshua’s Facebook page, the policeman in question decided to seek ‘Divine intervention’ by visiting Joshua’s church after six days of frantic searching had elapsed without any sign of success.

“I had a suspect escape from my custody in the hospital when I was detailed to guide him,” Constable Edwin Akpalu is seen narrating in an accompanying video uploaded to Facebook, adding that he faced expulsion from the police and a probable prison sentence.

Kweku Yeboah, Notorious Suspected Arm Robber

Kweku Yeboah, The Notorious Suspected Arm Robber

The police man vividly detailed how Yeboah, who escaped from the handcuffs which were tied to his hospital bed, covered himself with a white bed sheet whilst fleeing in the dead of night.

Akpalu had attempted to shoot the suspect as he was running hurriedly away but held back as a nurse was moving along the same corridor, fearing he might kill an innocent health official.

“Some friends advised me to go for black magic, which I was contemplating,” the constable admitted as days passed without any signs of Yeboah’s recapture.

“I told my dad about the issue. He told me I should not go and kneel down to any black power because God is the final authority, that I should come to The SCOAN to see Senior Prophet T.B. Joshua and whatever he says is final.”

According to the Facebook post, Joshua sent a message to the embattled constable, assuring him that the suspect would be apprehended as he had been ‘chained spiritually’, proceeding to cover his transport costs with a gift of $1,000.

Akpalu collapsed on the floor upon hearing Joshua’s pronouncement. “Thank you Prophet T.B. Joshua for vindicating me, or else four days from now, I would be in jail,” he tearfully acknowledged.

The re-arrest of Yeboah is seen as a confirmation of Joshua’s ‘prophecy’. It comes on the heels of the cleric’s prediction of an impending terrorist attack in Ghana which made headline news across the country last month.

Tawia Acheampong is a freelance journalist based in Accra, Ghana.

Source: TB Joshua Ministries on Facebook – http://www.facebook.com

I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PANAMA PAPERS – TB JOSHUA

This is an official statement from Prophet T.B. Joshua:

“I was shocked to find a report written in Premium Times (http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/201600-panamapapers-reveal-t-b-joshuas-shell-company-in-offshore-tax-haven.html) claiming that the Panama Papers revealed a shell company called Chillon Consultancy Limited in the British Virgin Islands, allegedly owned by me. Whoever is involved in this malicious write-up and propaganda with an obvious intent to defame my person and the ministry, remember what the Bible says in Luke 2:34 – “This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many… and to be a sign that will be spoken against.”

“I am not a businessman and have no business whatsoever. What God has given me is more than enough. I have nothing to do with the Panama Papers. As for me and my family, we shall remain in the vineyard of God.

“Premium Times – do not allow your company to be used. Do not allow your company to stand against God. This is a lie! Take note – this news was written by the same journalist who alleged that I bribed him during the building incident and went to different channels – both local and international – to propagate these fabrications. Since the building incident, there have been a series of threats towards the ministry and my person by this same journalist, Nicholas Ibekwe, who represents a gang of people.

“After everything that has been done in an attempt to destroy this ministry, this is what he has resorted to. Even the picture used in the write-up is taken from the Mexico Crusade I recently held. It was a crusade I went for, nothing more.

“Do not use the Panama Papers to attack those you have been looking for an opportunity to victimise. This is to show that not everybody alleged in the media to be involved in the Panama Papers is truly involved. My own case is a good example.

“Beware of those using the Panama Papers for fraudulent purposes! This is a very big mistake the fraudsters have made. Those who read this report – take time to do your findings. It is malicious.”

“Note – people are misusing the data in the Panama Papers for fraud to attack innocent people.”

Attached is the picture of Nicholas Ibekwe and one of the many emails he has sent to The SCOAN.

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Video: A Must Watch Documentary On The SCOAN Guest House Attack

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The Lagos State coroner ruled that the SCOAN guest house collapse was as a result of structural issues, but evidence increasingly points to sabotage, some scientists even suggested an infrasonic weapon was used to bring down the building.

Unfortunately, nothing has been done by the Nigerian government in investigating the Military Airplane. Instead of the government to investigate the pilot and crew on board in the Military Airplane, they are using the Judiciary to cover-up the SCOAN attack and they want the members of the public and those that lost their love ones in this tragic incident to accept it that way.

Till date, the government have not uncovered the identity of the pilot and crew on broad in the Military Airplane that remain the major suspect in the guest house collapse saga and yet they are going after the victims- Prophet T.B. Joshua, SCOAN and the Building contractors. And it now seems even the media is helping them to brainwash the public and spread the lies that the guest house was not attack when common sense shows that the way the building collapsed was not structural failure, but control demolition.

Here is a short documentary below on the SCOAN guest house attack:

HUMAN TRAFFICKING: A JOURNEY FROM HELL!!!

12493716_1037295599724549_3644588480922978045_oAs the sun set, so did Amen’s chances of survival. It was not just her body that was crippled but her will to live. Abandoned in a Moroccan valley with only the clothes on her back and a small blanket, death’s cruel grip tightened. She had no idea where she was, could not speak the native language and had no one to call on for help. Amen was about to become another statistic of the thousands of human trafficking victims who succumbed to hell’s evil beckoning. Lying lifeless, she forlornly cast her thoughts back to how it all began – her mum.

Brought up in a family of nine in Edo State, Nigeria, the Iriah family’s middle name was poverty. Things deteriorated all the more when her dad died in her infancy. Barely able to eat, let alone have any education, surviving to see the next day was all that Amen lived for. Aged 19, her mum returned home one day with a weighty proposal. “She insisted that I travel abroad for the sake of the family,” Amen explained, adding that a certain man was prepared to ‘help’. At that point, Amen had never left her state, talk less the country!

Thinking she had struck gold, Amen agreed to meet with the man, although the venue of the meeting was an unusual one – the house of a spiritualist. Stripped naked, Amen swore an oath that day, her pubic hair and finger nails forcibly taken as a token of her ‘loyalty’ to those behind her impending journey. She set out at night with several other young ladies, expecting to be taken to an airport. Her destination however was Benin Republic where she was smuggled across the border without any passport or official documents. From Cotonou, Amen journeyed to Burkina Faso, each new territory she entered accompanied by the promise that her flight to Spain where she would start ‘a new life’ was at hand.

Each movement of her increasingly intrepid journey took place at night, her days spent silently shut indoors as her ‘guides’ insisted their ‘guests’ should not be seen in public. After several weeks in Burkina Faso, Amen travelled to Mali. At the edge of the Sahara Desert, reality began to dawn. There was no plane that would carry her and there was no going back. She was about to traverse the world’s largest, most dangerous wilderness. Packed ‘like a sardine’ inside a vehicle, the scorching sun became a relentless companion and each single drop of water a savored delicacy.

“I will never forget what I experienced in that desert,” Amen soberly reminisced. The skeletal remains of past pilgrims lay strewn across the sand, some of her fellow travelers succumbing to the sun’s piercing, unrelenting glare. Many had attempted the journey; only few made it across. After the vehicle developed a fault, the remainder of her desert journey took place on foot. Escaping attempted rape and a violent sandstorm were just some of the horrific experiences she encountered.

Arriving finally in Mali, Amen entered a ‘camp’ where thousands of trafficked individuals, whose origins spanned the entire African continent, converged. Days became weeks. Weeks became months. Months became years. The journey continued, Amen finally arriving in the Northern African nation of Algeria. Entering an even bigger ‘camp’, Amen kept holding onto a phantom of hope that her final destination was nigh. The conditions in the encampment were hellish to say the least. With hundreds of human beings cramped into a confined space such that even to lie down and sleep was impossible, sickness was both rife and rampant. The emotional and physical stress of the journey, coupled with the unhygienic living conditions, soon took their toll as Amen fell sick, her body becoming stiff. On the day a vehicle was to take her to Morocco, police raided the warehouse, capturing hundreds of illegal immigrants.

Amen managed to escape but her ailment was worsening by the day. Crippled to the point where she could walk no more, Amen was left to die in a valley by her fellow escapees. Her body was frail and spirit broken. However, as night arrived and her eyes closed, expected never to reopen, a gnarled hand suddenly touched her gaunt face. Amen had been found by an elderly Arabian shepherd. Their language, origin and faith differed but compassion spoke louder. Calling an ambulance, the Good Samaritan took the young Nigerian to a hospital where she spent three months recovering. Thinking a turn in her fortunes had finally come, Amen was again plummeted into despair as from hospital, she was sent to prison. There she met a Nigerian man who promised to help her on one illicit condition – that they sleep together. Deported to the Algerian border, Amen began the journey again, this time illegally entering Morocco through a different route. Pregnant for her new ‘helper’, Amen was finally just a stone’s throw away from her destination. However, the closer she came, the more distant Spain appeared.

On the day Amen was to take a ‘boat’ across the border, police raided the house she was living in with her new ‘lover’, arresting her again. Eventually securing release, a new strategy was suggested. Amen was given a life-jacket and taken to the Straits of Gibraltar, the shortest possible distance between Morocco and Spain. She was just eight miles away from ‘a new life’. However, on the day a heavily pregnant Amen was to swim across, she gave in to fear. Her two best friends had attempted the same journey weeks earlier; they never made it. In addition, literally hundreds of friends and colleagues she met in Morocco had come to a watery end as their makeshift boats capsized due to overloading and adverse weather.

Securing fake documents, Amen tried to get a ferry across the border, a Moroccan man agreeing to act as her father. Their ruse was soon discovered however as a routine security check while trying to enter the huge boat exposed the scheme. This time, Amen was sent to a government camp for captured illegal immigrants. After a sickening four year journey, she was deported to Nigeria with nothing but the clothes on her back and an eight month pregnancy.

Amen came to The SCOAN last week and was delivered through the ministration of the Morning Water, finally released from the pain of her horrific past. She returned to the church with her nine year old girl – who had never seen her father – and her mother who sent her into slavery in the first place. Amen’s mum begged for forgiveness, admitting that she sold her daughter into prostitution abroad, thinking it would brighten the family fortunes. Free at last, Amen’s experience provides a poignant lesson: “It’s not where you are but who you are that matters.”

Watch Amen’s touching story here –

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Prophet T. B Joshua proposed to me first day we met –Evelyn

Mrs. Evelyn Joshua

Mrs. Evelyn Joshua

Prophet T.B Joshua’s wife, Evelyn, wouldn’t have it any other way. She’s happy her children are doing quite well and their father “is a great man”. They’ve been together for 25 blissful years. Lately, she celebrated her 47th birthday which she said was fun. In this interview with Sunday Sun, she reflects on her life with the man of God and con­cluded it’s been worth it and gives Almighty God the glory. Excerpts:

How are you today?

I’m fine…

I can see that you are happy and excited that your daughter, Sarah, was called to the bar today. But in a nutshell, just express your feelings.

I am very happy; it’s the desire of many parents to see their children succeed. I am happy she’s taking this step; she’s work­ing hard towards her destiny, so it’s a great day for me and for her too.

Okay, do you know so many people don’t know that Prophet T.B Joshua has a wife let alone children? So, can you talk about the family?

At least you know now (laughs). I have heard that story before. Yes, I have heard that in the past but emm… it’s just one of those things. I don’t need to tell you but I think we have been together for the past 25 years now.

Please, tell us how you met.

Yes, I have said it before and it’s still the same. Hmmm… how do I call it? It’s just a divine arrangement. It’s a long story but anyway we met and the only surprising thing there was that, it was the day I met him that he proposed to me.

Wow, really? On his knees? How did he do it?

Straight forward (Laughs).

He said ‘I like you. I want to marry you’ just like that?

Yes, but really I was skeptical because it was strange, so, I just want to thank God that it really worked out. Like I said earlier, we have been together for the past 25 years and it’s working out fine.

Most people believe that pastors are not romantic. They fast and pray all the time. Is Prophet T. B Joshua romantic?

He’s a great man.

Great man on bed?

Hmmm… I don’t know. I wouldn’t know because no woman would love to discuss her husband to that level, but I think he’s a good man.

Okay, since you got married to him, what is it that you have learnt from him?

I have learnt a lot from him being a disciplined man. But I’m still learning anyway.

Having this type of cross-cultural marriage because I learnt you are from Delta State and he is from Ondo State, how did it happen? Did you have challenges?

In every marriage, there are always challenges. I don’t even see that as a problem because we are both Nigeri­ans. Even when you marry from your tribe, even your hometown there will still be problems. But you know, with maturity and fear of God, you can go on.

Did your parents object to the union initially?

In every marriage you should expect that. That’s what keeps the marriage going. When you remember all the obstacles, you will want to make the marriage work. Honestly, you will want to do all you could to make it work. When you take a man or woman to your father’s house, you don’t expect every­body to welcome the person, but when you think of those people that say no, you will surely want to make it work.

When you were getting mar­ried, was he deep in religion like now?

Yes, I met him as a prophet. I told you I don’t want to go into details but I actu­ally went to his place.

Okay, when you are angry, how does he calm you down? Does he buy you some nice gifts like jewelry?

I don’t know what you mean by angry.

That moment of tension, you know, like when church members are taking too much of his attention?

In fact, that is the first thing you have to understand. When you are married to a man of God, you have to know he’s a man of the people. So, that should be the basic thing you have to understand as wife of a prophet. There’s nothing like church members taking too much of his time, he has to do his work. I have never been angry about it and I can never be angry about it.

What of the other way round?

Which way?

When he’s angry, how do you calm him down?

When he’s angry? (Laughs). There’s no man who doesn’t get angry but he shouldn’t allow his anger to lead him into sin, you understand? When it comes to expressing it, do so and let it end there, so that is it.

Some people don’t under­stand your husband, they say he’s a mysterious man with mysterious powers, when you read such stories, how do you react?

I know it’s not true. They don’t know him, he’s not a strange man, he’s not a mysterious man; he’s just dedicated to his work. He is a man who has the fear of God in him, that is it. Those stories don’t move me at all because they don’t seem to understand him.

So, what is that precious gift that he has ever given you, probably on your birth­day?

Not even a gift per se, but words of wisdom, and I think that is all what life is all about. You find it, ignite it and use it. That is what your heart desires.

Some people say his favour­ite food is pounded yam, is that true?

No! (Laughs). Should I tell you? Em­mmm… I know he likes beans and corn, you know, the beans cooked together with corn, you know that? He can take that at least twice a week. Yoruba call it “Adalu”.

When he wants to go for solid food, which one does he prefer?

Yes, swallow or whatever? He takes that too but beans and corn are his favourites.

Mama, do you feel fulfilled marrying a prophet and hav­ing three beautiful, intelli­gent children, all girls?

Yes, I feel fulfilled. I don’t even know I don’t have any son because I have lots of boys around me. In this part of the world, most especially, from where I am from, people cherish male children, but my husband didn’t give me any reason to think of that.

You mean you are not under pressure from him or his fam­ily to have male children?

Not at all! I believe when you make that a problem, you begin to see it as a problem before you. But it’s not a prob­lem to me at all.

Could you please tell us the secret behind your youthful­ness, nobody will believe you have these grown-ups?

Really? You know the good thing? I will be 47 tomorrow (Thursday Decem­ber 17).

Wow! Happy birthday in advance!

Thank you.

So, how are we celebrating it?

We are already celebrating.

How would you describe style, what is style to you?

Style is just for the one who fears God. That’s the way I see style.

I can see you donning some nice jewelry. Are you a jew­elry freak?

Not really. You know, when time permits, I can just have them.

Are you comfortable in lo­cal or designer wears?

I just go with things I’m comfortable with. I don’t look for designers every­where; I wear anything I’m comfortable with.

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