Why TB Joshua never replied Pastors and his former aides that accused him

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Prophet TB Joshua

This is an interesting and breath-taking interview with TB Joshua, the General Overseer of the Synagogue, Church of all Nations, Lagos Nigeria. He answered questions about criticism from other men of God, persecution, charity, the nation, economy and others.

Q: You’ve come under severe criticism recently and in the past years from other pastors and your former aides, but you never replied them. Why?

A: It is only when you don’t know where you are going you will reply them. When you don’t know where you are going, anything can overwhelm you, anything can provoke you. Look at what happened to Joseph in the dry pit; because he knew he was going to the throne; he was not overwhelmed. When he was on the floor, instead of looking at the floor – you know the prison floor is not smooth – the Bible said he opened the window and looked at the beautiful sky and he said to himself, “I know where I belong!” So when you know where you belong, nothing can overwhelm you, provoke you or discourage you. Therefore, if you know that there is a higher hand leading you and you know the protection you are under, you don’t fight for God, rather God fights for us. There are two ministers of God, those who fight for God and those whom God fights for. For me, God fights for me. You don’t fight for God, so when you are doing the work of God and people are fighting you, they are fighting God. Apart from healing, prophecy and Synagogue, if I withdraw now, nobody will talk about me. Definitely, it’s God in me they are fighting. So when somebody says you are this and that, it’s just a matter of time. Those persecutions, hatred and intimidation – you will realise that God uses them to prepare us and strengthen our desire for Him. When you are being persecuted, it’s time to praise the Lord. Time of intimidation is time to draw closer to Him. Therefore, it’s a tonic for our anointing. The persecution we suffer in the hands of our detractors causes us to be known.

Q: Some Pastors claim that you are evil. Is TB Joshua evil?

A: You know what happened to Peter and our Lord Jesus Christ. You know how close Peter was to Him and the question He asked in that Matthew 16 – “Who do people say I am?” Peter’s first answer was improper and Jesus said you are a tempter; you are a snare, get out of my sight. You should ever think of the things of God, not things of the world. You can imagine somebody who is close to Jesus and the Lord asked him, who do people say I am – and he could not see Jesus from God’s point of view but from a human point of view. Perfection eludes everyone. Because you bear pastor… what informs that word pastor? The issue of pastor is all about the anointing of God. So because somebody said I am a pastor, that does not mean his vision cannot be blurred – and when his vision is blurred, you will not see clearly the things of God. There are pastors that actually receive the message of God by mental assent. The actual message of God comes from the heart. It renews our strength. The one that comes from our heard you memorise the message, just like you go to school. What you have studied is in your heard and the moment you are not practicing what you studied in another two to three years, you have to rehearse it again, but the Words of God are always in our heart.

Q: Lagos State Government is talking about wealth of churches and they want to tax churches. Do you support this move?

The wealth of the church is the strength of the church, and the strength of the church is the Holy Spirit – so what are you talking about? How would you now tax the Holy Spirit? When you are out there looking at the church, it’s a place of refuge for everybody when there are economic crises. People are jobless; when you are given a sack letter, the next place you think of is the church, when you are sick, you run to the church. Somebody who receives a sack letter from his office, is the Pastor still expecting money from such person? A pastor that does that is receiving a curse. I will advise the government not to share a cruse from any minister of God that is collecting money from people they are supposed to give money to. Government should not join them in sharing the curse. People are being sacked and that’s what’s happening in the country today. If you are sacked, the Pastor is supposed to restore hope and strength to you, give you money to invest, go to their store and give you at least a bag of rice that will sustain you until you get another job. These people are a burden to the church – but when you are looking at the church from a distance, you will think they are bringing money… So, if any Pastors sees it as a means of extorting money from the under-privileged people, that Pastor is receiving a curse. There is no need to tax churches because they are not making money, and if anybody starts making money at the expense of other people, the person is getting a curse – and I don’t want government to share in that curse.

Q: You have other arms of the church like charity, deliverance, reconciliation, prophecy, healing and others. What has it been like over the years handling all these responsibilities?

A: This is the problem the country has brought to us; that is what we are talking about. Here we have a foundation for the youths, a football club. There are about 4000 of them that come from across the country, and we have a bus for them. We are also involved with the destitute in Oko-Baba, you saw the buses given to them and how they are being taken care of and we are giving them scholarships. We have people in Leeds University in London, which is one of the best universities in the world. There are also the widows, the physically challenged – and we have a warehouse where we keep the rice which we give to these people. Each trailer is N5million and we have about four trailers. There are also the aged people – we look for them and take care of them, even the ones that are sick. Of course, you know that to run a football club costs a lot of money. Even the PHCN where they train, we paid heavily to secure it. These are some of the challenges we are facing. So when you now talk about the issue of tax, does it means that we will withdraw all these and use it to pay tax? We are doing more than paying tax. I don’t operate any bank account, not to talk of keeping money here. These people are my bank account. I believe so much in this so that in the nearest future, people can stand and say, ‘I am now this through the grace of God in the life of TB Joshua’.

Q: Is that the basis for grooming these young ones around you from abroad?

I will not answer that now; let me finish the issue of leadership. Let’s move forward. One of the key issues why we are having problems, especially in Africa, is that there is no way Africa can develop without taking this pattern I am going to talk about now. In developed countries, they exchange their mineral resources with another one – but in our case, we exchange our mineral resources with money. Look at our oil; the Western countries come to take our oil and give us pounds and dollars. For Nigeria to develop, they should exchange oil for technology. Go to Russia, whatever mineral resources they have there, they exchange with American technology and whatever America needs from them, they exchange it with technology; the same thing happens in other developed countries all over the world – but our own is money. The gift of God to us, our inheritance, to develop people’s skills, we keep exchanging for dollars and pounds. And when we collect the money, we will not keep it in our banks here. We will still carry it back to the banks of the people that gave us the money, and they will say they are keeping it for us. They will say they are keeping it in foreign reserve, and that actually has kept us in the level we are today. So tell me how we can develop? From the beginning of this Niger-Delta crisis, if these boys had seen that their oil is being exchanged for technology instead of money, I tell you, there will be employment, light, improved telephone service, and good quality education – do you think they will fight? Look at our universities today. People go overseas to study. Well, it’s not too late because we have mineral resources and they should exchange it for technologies and other things we don’t have, not money. Don’t give us fish; teach us how to fish.

Q: With healing happening on a daily basis, on the average, how many people get healed here?

Since the healing is from God, do you need to test or examine and mark God’s work? The credit is for God. No matter how many people that are healed, you cannot mark God; it’s man we can mark. After we must have done everything humanly possible, we still need to leave it for God. For just coming here today, you have received healing.

Q: From a spiritual angle, how do you think the worldwide economic meltdown will have impact on Nigeria?

A: I think what is happening concerning the economy is a normal thing, because where the voices are not one, you expect things like this to happen. God is only very merciful – by now, we are supposed to be crying. Nigeria is not counted out of this. You are in this country; you know what is happening and you know the mismanagement. If you mismanage your product, you’ll get a shortage – that’s exactly what is happening.

Q: But you said in one of your prophecies that we are yet to see anything concerning this economic meltdown?

A: Yes, have you seen anything? What have you seen? You are only seeing the flame. When you see fire, you see flame – but we are yet to see the fire. There is no solution, there is nothing we can do – it’s a matter of time. But we will pass through it with a lesson. God wants to use it to strengthen our desire for Him.

Q: Has any of the world leaders called to ask you for a way out of this economic crises?

A: You want me to begin to mention the names of Presidents in your Newspaper (General Laughter)! My friend, when you talk like this, I know where you are going. I want to tell you that it is part of the gift; the anointing God has given to me. The way and manner God executes His plan in our lives differs. Some He sent them to the village to minister, some to the community and some among his own race, some to another race and colour, while some anointing touches Kings and Queens, Presidents. Therefore, by our fruits you know the kind of anointing we bear. We are anointing carriers, but when you look at us you know the kind of anointing we carry. So it’s not for us to begin to tell you – ‘this is what I am doing’.

Q: When is Nigeria going to have a leader that will take us to the Promised Land? There is poverty in the country…

A: Well, what do you mean by Promised Land? Until what they inherited from their past predecessors is no longer burdensome. Like the issue of administration, the person in power is still battling with what he inherited, he has not started a new thing. Some may continue battling with theirs throughout their tenure. I hope you understand what I am saying. It’s like somebody’s father dying and there is a huge debt to settle. You realise that either you denounce that father or carry the responsibility. You begin to pay the debt for his house and other things – and that may take your time and career.

I think the problem is that we have many leaders, but we fail to take time to develop people’s skills – they have no disciples. No one can go it alone, even Jesus Christ knew this and that was why He had disciples. But we have leaders without disciples in every area. Not in the political circle alone, but churches too. Take your mind back to some late great men of God in Nigeria, how many of them had disciples? Look at the political circle; take your mind back to the olden days – how many of them had disciples? It takes time to develop people’s skills, but how many people will do that? You will be persecuted and hated even among the people you are developing. Many of them will be Judas and in the process of developing them, they will go out and say all sorts of things against you, they want to bring you down- but at the end of the day, you still see one or two of them that are good. Of course, you know what happened to Jesus because He was developing skills, making disciples. People are afraid to develop skills, because in the process of developing people’s skills, you look at the repercussion. When you weigh the disadvantages and advantages, one would be afraid to go into it – but the future is great because you will live forever if you take time to develop people’s skills and make disciples out of them.

This is what the Bible said. It says – Go ye into the world and make disciples. Look at everywhere – even in your journalism circle. You know of great journalists, editors, publishers – but where are their disciples today? Those disciples either turned around to become senators, governors or others things, or they just abandoned their profession. Even if you become a senator tomorrow, that does not mean you should abandon your profession. It is your profession; you should establish it, employ people to manage it while you supervise. Look at farmers. Go to the village you hardly see anybody in the village today, all of them are coming to the city. We have leaders without disciples – and no one can go it alone. We need good people, inspired people and informed people to achieve our dreams and objectives – and Jesus knew this.

Q: Presidents have visited you from other countries and you’ve visited them also. Here in Nigeria we’ve not had a situation where any Nigerian President has visited. Is it a situation of a prophet not being recognised in his homeland?

A: A point of correction – to be conferred with the OFR is a recognition. I’ve never had any honour like that. That is appreciation, but the manner of approach differs. So I think it’s still normal. Everything big starts little. If something big starts big, it calls for concern.

Q: You appear too simple. Why? 

A: It’s because I am in the midst of people. If you go out there, you will pity the people. People are there at the bus stops waiting for vehicles and they can stand there for hours. Sometimes I ask myself where these people work. What kind of job will you go to at any time you feel – that means a lot of them keep changing jobs. So how can their lives be stable – and success demands a stable character. When your character and attitude is not stable, you are far from success. You say ‘it’s good’ today, tomorrow you say ‘it’s not good’, you are far from success. God’s Word is constant; He is still the same yesterday, today and forever. What you need to do is to seek the things from above so that you may be comforted in the face of whatever situation you are in. Just like I said earlier – Jesus has risen. Therefore, let your mind rise and seek the things that are above so that we may be comforted in the face of our situation. You say people are suffering? Jesus has risen – tell your people to seek the things that are above so that they may be comforted in the face of their situation.

Q: How would you want to be remembered? 

A: The Apostles paid the supreme price to bring the Gospel. Some were stoned, some were crucified upside down – so if you must be one of the disciples of Jesus, you must be ready to follow Jesus, bearing His cross, bearing His reproach. You must know the fellowship of His suffering.

Exposing TB Joshua’s Deception, Once and for all

TB Joshua and wife

General Overseer, Synagogue Church of All Nations (SCOAN), owners of Emmanuel TV Team, Prophet TB Joshua and wife, Evelyn

This post was sent to us a few years back, by a writer who had chosen to remain anonymous. He claimed to be a onetime sceptic of TB Joshua’s ministry due to what he was told by his pastor and heard from other ministers of the gospel in the past. He, however, came to the SCOAN to verify the truth for himself and the truth he seeks indeed set him free. ***We did a little editing on the original article for clarity of reading and understanding.***

Having visited the SCOAN to witness things for myself, I feel there’s a need to share my experience. My purpose for visiting was quite different from the lot of people I noticed who went there for healing, deliverance or whatever reasons might have taken them there. As for me, I went there to see first-hand, what sort of a demon TB Joshua was. My pastor and some guest pastors that ministered at our church always tell the congregation during their sermons that TB Joshua is a devil incarnate. He has horns, he is an apostle of Hades, the Anti-Christ prophesied in scripture and others.

The passion with which they always try to convince us was what spurred my decision to visit the church and see for myself. I fasted and prayed for days to fortify myself so as not to be bewitched by the alleged occultist powers TB Joshua used before, I headed for the SCOAN.

I will start with the healing I witness there.

Nevertheless, before falling head over heels for these miracles of Joshua, I ponder within myself what the source of his power was. The Bible warned us of the false prophet using counterfeit miracle, signs and wonders to deceive the people, even the elects the bible said are going to be victims of such deceit.

The healings that I saw taking place there, frankly, there is no normal person in this world that TB Joshua’s healing methods won’t first come as a shock to. With just a wave of his hands, people with different sickness and diseases kept falling to the ground like a pack of cards, in other instances, the movement of his eyes, head and legs made people move uncontrollably against their will to the ground or towards the direction he pointed. I couldn’t help but wonder if this could be God at work? I thought certainly not; there’s nowhere it is written in scripture that the apostles and prophets performed anything close to this. Oftentimes the scripture narrates Jesus using just a word to drive out demons, but here was a man making gestures with his body faculties in the process of delivering the demonized and healing the sick; there is no question as to whether the healings and deliverances take place, it is obvious that they do. Because any person he ministered to, at once profess instant relief and do what he/she couldn’t do before.

While he was busy ministering healing to the diverse illnesses, the most shocking experience for me was when he approached those with the deadly disease of HIV/Aids. Keeping in mind that HIV/Aids has no cure, I was expecting him to offer serious prayers over the HIV patients, but to my utmost surprise he just walked past them (not stopping for even a second) whilst stretching his microphone towards them in a wave and as he did that, they all fell to the ground as though they were struck by the sheer force of a wave. When he walked towards the end of the section they were arranged, he then spoke into his microphone saying: “you are all free”.

I was shivering. Because it goes against everything I was used to. I recall how my pastor used to proclaim a fast and pray for days over asthma and rheumatism, and here was HIV being dispelled in the twinkle of an eye. I couldn’t accept the ease with which he ministered healing and deliverance, or rather couldn’t comprehend it. I saw the joy emanating from those he had ministered to, their hope was restored, and I couldn’t help but wonder why my pastor, in whom I so much believed, said TB Joshua was a wizard clad in blazer suit, massively deceiving people.

I was however still very careful not to quickly conclude on Joshua’s genuineness. I resolved to pray within me. I still wanted to be sure that I’m not already under the influence of Joshua’s manipulation just because of the healings I have seen there. So, I continued with my intensive observation of the proceedings of his service.

I was taken in surprise by another scenario I observed. I noticed that after each miracle took place in TB Joshua’s church, unlike others who used to walk beside the beneficiary as praises were being sung, making them look like the healer, Joshua would walk right out of the scene of every miracle, so that he would not be seen around the beneficiaries. As the beneficiary shouts praises to God for their healings, Joshua will immediately continue with his ministration to others.

A proud man would never do this. In this regard, I gave TB Joshua a high scored. But the thought that keeps coming to my mind was the different ministers that insist that TB Joshua is a false prophet. How can so many ministers be wrong on a subject? They cannot be. Jesus said that where two or more agree, I am in their midst, and here we have well respected ‘men of God’ agreeing over the same matter.

How can God be using only one person to do such an astonishing miracle? There are countless preachers, apostles and prophets, but none of the minister in any way come close to TB Joshua. To be sure, I have seen people fall under the anointing in various churches, but the way it happens in TB Joshua’s church is shocking. Why are other pastors not doing the same works in the same manner? That got me thinking that TB Joshua must be using some means. I held strongly to my stands that this is still likely a fraud.

When it got to the time of prophecy, Joshua moved into the midst of the congregation and began telling them the root causes of their problems and proceeded to deliver them in the power of the Holy Spirit. This was the point I broke down in tears, I couldn’t handle it. The In-depth accuracy of his prophecies was a shocker in themselves, but even more, was how his prophetic messages always pointed people to the root cause of their problem. It was far from the sweet-sounding prophetic declarations I have been used to that usually are not profitable for turning anyone away from sin but are always geared towards what our itching ears want to hear, like imaginary enemies after our progress.

Even after those encounters at The SCOAN, it took me days of prayers and careful study of the scriptures for me to fully convinces myself that TB Joshua was indeed God sent. Besides, it was as though God was speaking to me through everything I witnessed there. After a deep reflection, I realized that only one man cannot just be the devil. There are many false prophets and pastors out there which nobody is talking about, but why the so much focus and energy on Joshua. I concluded that there must be something special about him that the kingdom of darkness is afraid of.

I realized of course that Jealousy must have played a very big role by the rejection and accusations from fellow ministers of the gospel. Especially since they cannot do what God does through Joshua and it looks like Joshua is the only one who seems to be getting much of the world attention.

The Scripture makes us understand that God gives His grace in proportion to the faithfulness of His servants. They want to operate in the same supernatural level as TB Joshua. If I should ask them, do they show mercy and compassion as he does? Do they show love to even enemies as he does? Do they give or care for the needy and orphans as he does? They do not do all these things, they build mansions, buy private jets, acquired large estates thus, turning their back against the poor and yet, they desire a higher dimension of the supernatural grace of God in their life and Ministry.

You cannot be endowed with the riches of His miraculous grace to do signs and wonders when you desire to use them for material gain or wealth accumulation. The scripture told us that he that loves money is a servant of mammon, and mammon is the principality set over material gains and that is the god of them that love the world.

It is heart-breaking that because of the love for the world and money, men who supposed to uphold the gospel have instead continued to pervert it for personal gain and enrichment. The Gospel of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ that is of grace, love, salvation, sanctification, humility, charity, meekness, faithfully and all of God’s goodness, has been twisted to the gospel of worldly prosperity and financial gain.

Bisola Johnson and Pastor Sunday Adelaja the Greatest Threat to TB Joshua?

Do you think that this recent noise and cheap public attention from Bisola Johnson and the so-called pastor Sunday Adelaja are the greatest threat to the life and ministry of Prophet TB Joshua?

We should know that these guys are mere detractors whom every reasonable person that has access to their antecedence will see them for the fraud they are and their ingenuine quest to make cheap money from selling their book in their cause to degrade the reputation of our esteem Prophet.

There is nothing new which both duos have said that has not been said against TB Joshua and his Ministry before now. If the Ministry of the Prophet could withstand those mountains of allegations at that time when the Ministry was still in her early stage with less coverage, is it when everyone now has access to Emmanuel TV with a wider coverage where anyone can get firsthand information about the happiness in TB Joshua’s Ministry that one should be bothered about their falsehoods against the Prophet. If the Prophet could be vindicated then, he will still be vindicated again.

Those guys don’t deserve any attention. They are being used by some faceless persons who are the real threat to the life of the Prophet.

What we all should be concerned about now is the safety and security of TB Joshua. All these paid attention seekers are confirming our fears the more that the life of the Prophet is in danger.

We should not be deceived by these two detractors. Their faces are just being used. They are not the real enemies or threat. The faceless anti-TB Joshua forces, the gang that launched the attacked at the SCOAN guest house that took the life of innocent believers are the real threat.

Does Bisola Johnson and Pastor Sunday Adelaja have access to an infrasonic weapon? These are the questions we should ask ourselves. The enemies have to remain invisible because they are powerful world forces and they have their reputation to protect. They are just using individuals that can sell their reputation for anything as a coverup to attack the Prophet.

According to the security information on the ground now, their ultimate goal is to kill TB Joshua. Since their actual plan for attacking the SCOAN guest house seems not to have materialized. Because the attack was met to destroy TB Joshua’s Ministry and scare people away from coming to the SCOAN. Even the court case, they know that irrespective of the outcome it won’t affect TB Joshua’s ministry or stop the SCOAN from going higher. With all these facts on the ground, their Ultimate goal now is to kill the Prophet, and this is something we all must take seriously.

All this Bisola and whatever noise makers out there are mere detractors. No true believer can take them seriously. But the real threat TB Joshua is dealing with right now are the greatest and worst persecutors of Christendom in this 21st century.

Don’t be taking unaware, you need to know what is going on behind the scene. We are talking about dangerous End-time anti-Christ forces. We must remain prayerful and watchful since the enemies are still at their games. We, however, know that no matter the length and breadth of their blackmail, campaign of calumny, intimidation and persecution, surely as Christ Jesus lives, victory will be ours through Him, in Christ Jesus’ Name…Amen!

HIS TB JOSHUA ANOINTING WATER WORTHLESS?

The anointing water given to us by God through his servant, TB Joshua, is only a medium GOD Almighty is using to heal the sick, bless the poor and reach out to the world at large. God has been using this medium (the anointing water) to show himself great in the midst of men and we all must be grateful to God for choosing to reach out to us through this medium.

A SCOAN critic said that Prophet TB Joshua admits that his new anointing water is pointless; this is not true at all as the prophet has consistently insisted that God Almighty provides the anointing while he only provides the water showing clearly how humble he is. God has always used different mediums to express Himself to mankind, and those things he use are always common among men, but only become effective to do healings and wonders after it has being anointed and empowered by God through is prophets and massagers.

There are different incidences in the bible when God used certain items to heal and bless people, for example, Act 19:11-12, in this scripture, handkerchief and aprons were taken from the body of Paul the apostle to heal the sick and to cast out evil spirits. Take Note, these aprons and handkerchief had to make contact with Paul first who was the bearer of God’s anointing as prophet TB Joshua is today, meaning not just any handkerchief or aprons could be taken to the sick as these critics have said that any water or tap water could be used by the sick to get healed, but known that it is only the one that has being anointed by God through the body of Paul that only heal the sick and cast out demons. Remember the bible said that in the last days men will misinterpret the bible to suite themselves and this is just what this critics are doing. We that are true believers should not listen to this kind of individuals who are only there to cause confusion in the body of Christ instead of preaching salvation; we should know that the bible is our standard and not men’s formulated theology to deceive the world. Even, the rod of Moses in the bible had to be anointed by God before it was used to performing wonders which previously was not possible.

I think we all should embrace God’s gift to mankind, in the person of TB Joshua and stop trying to fight against God.